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From there, Mellow Man Ace’s debut album Escape From Havana took shape, spawning the hit single “Mentirosa” and setting the table for the rise of Cypress Hill (a group comprised of Ace’s brother Sen-Dogg and his dancer B-Real).
These days, Mellow Man Ace is the Chairman of the Latin Rap Conference, gearing up for their big annual event this November in Los Angeles (more info here). Last week Mr. Delicious was fortunate enough to link up with the Mellow Man himself at Canter’s Deli in Hollywood. It was great to see the Cuban rhyme fighter looking strong and wearing his signature snap brim hat. Over potato pancakes and reubens on rye bread Ace talked about how rap in Spanish came to be, the truth behind his beef with Eazy-E, and the spliced-up influence of Big Daddy Kane’s eyebrows. Here are some highlights from the conversation:
YOU ALWAYS WEAR CLASSY HATS. WHERE DO YOU GET YOUR HATS? Greenspan’s in Southgate, where we grew up. Now a lot of people bite the style.
LET’S GO BACK TO THE BEGINNING. IN 1988 YOUR DEBUT SINGLE CAME OUT AND GOT PLAYED ON L.A.’S ORIGINAL HIP-HOP RADIO STATION, KDAY. DID THEY PLAY THE ENGLISH LANGUAGE VERSION “DO THIS” OR THE SPANISH LANGUAGE VERSION “MAS PINGON”?
Both! [KDAY Mixmaster] Greg Mack, I tip my hat to him because even though it was the ‘black’ format he went out on a limb and played that record in Spanish and the response was amazing. All over L.A. kids were happy that rap was in Spanish, then it no longer became just a black thing to do, from that record. [Before the record came out] I remember going to Solar, and Sunshine, and Casablance Records, and they were like, “Rap in Spanish? Get the hell outta here!” I landed at Delicious Vinyl accidentally. DJ Muggs, later of Cypress Hill, was producing a group called 7A3, and he landed a song on the Colors soundtrack, a song called “Why”. And that particular day Muggs had no one to go to the studio with him, I think Sen-Dogg was working, B-Real had a gig at the Compton Swap Meet at the time, so I went with Muggs and we ended up at Delicious Vinyl’s studio on Santa Monica, which was actually Matt Dike’s apartment, the living room was the studio. At that time Mario Caldato was the engineer. Before the session ended, Matt Dike came out from the kitchen where he used to hide with his record collection and said to me, “Hey dude, what’s up? Mellow? Okay dude, well man we’re starting up a new label and we’ve got these two dudes, Tone Loc and Young MC, you probably don’t know ‘em but, here take a listen…” So he played Tone Loc “On Fire” for me, and I said okay. Matt said, “Glad you dig it!” He said, “We’re looking for more artists, are you a rapper?” I said, “Yeah, and I can even rap in Spanish.” He said, “Whut?? Dude, you need to come over here tomorrow so I can put you down on something and see what you sound like bro!” So the next day I used my mom’s Toyota Corolla and we recorded “Do This” that day and then Matt said, “What about the Spanish bro?” and I said, “I got it right here!” so pulled it out and we recorded “Mas Pingon” — we did them both that first day — and they stayed that way until they came out. One take. Matt loved it and called Mike Ross, “I found a kid who can rap in Spanish.” Mike Ross being the genius he is said, “Give him a contract.” Rest is history.
WHAT WAS THE PROCESS OF TRANSLATING THE LYRICS? ENGLISH FIRST, THEN SPANISH? DID YOUR BROTHER HELP?
The art of translating, I always did by myself. It was always easier to write song in English first and then find the appropriate words to match it and rhyme in Spanish. The hardest part would come two years later when I had to write “Mentirosa” and use a style that nobody had done ever and that was to blend English and Spanish together to make one language. That was the toughest part. I was working to finish my album Escape From Havana, and “Mentirosa” was the last song on the album. Tony G had told me, “We’re working on this last song based around this Carlos Santana sample [”Evil Ways” and “No One To Depend On”], but don’t come into the studio to record your vocals until the lyrics are bilingual.” I said, “What? What do you mean? Bother languages at once?” Well, at the time Tony G was really into santeria, and had gotten guidance from his spirit keeper that this was how it was supposed to be, but he just told me, “You figure it out.” So the next day me and B-Real were drinking 40’s and passing blunts out in front of my mom’s house in B-Real’s Pinto, this was 1988 going into 1989, and we were sitting there for hours, nothing was coming to me lyrically, all we had was the “check this out ladies” part and B-Real had came with that. I had to use the bathroom, and I went into the house. Now, where we grew up in Southgate, the houses were only a car’s length away from each other so you could hear everything being said in the neighbor’s house and I’m in the bathroom and I hear the neighbor’s kid, this little Mexican kid named Alvaro, about 11 years old at the time, and he said “Mama, I’m going to the liquor store, quieres venir?” and it was like, ding! A lightbulb went off, I felt like Ben Franklin when he discovered electricity and by the time I got back to the car the lyrics were flowing like whatever: “Check this out baby, tenemos tremendo lio, last night you didn’t go a la casa de tu tio…” And B-Real was like “Where’d you get that shit?” But it didn’t occur to me that we were speaking to our parents all this time in both English and Spanish, especially our parents who were Cuban refugees who were in the process of learning English, and we were raised here in California. I remember when we laid it down the next day with Tony G he said, “Yo this is the one.” It was my least favorite record on that album, but it was the one that made me my place in hip-hop history.
WHO’S THE GIRL WHO APPEARS ON “MENTIROSA”, THE ONE YOU’RE CALLING OUT?
A neighborhood friend of ours from Southgate named Denise who came and did it, it was lovely, she was our homegirl from our little breakdance crew that we’d had years prior. The first TV appearance that we did with that was on The Paul Rodriguez Show, and I called Denise to come out and perform but she got cold feet. So I called my sister Ana to play the part on the show and she came on board and we took it around the world.
YOU ROCKED A PRETTY STRONG HIGH-TOP FADE ON THE BACK COVER OF ESCAPE FROM HAVANA. WHERE DID YOU GET YOUR HAIRCUT BACK IN THE DAY?
We had our own clippers so the crew, we all cut each other’s hair. Sen would cut my hair, I would cut his. The high-top fade was a classic cut in hip-hop, but you had to have the splices in your eyebrows to make it work. Then we went to the regular fade, we brought it down. The first time I ever saw the splices in the eyebrows, Big Daddy Kane had done it, so we did it.
WAS KANE A BIG INFLUENCE ON YOU, ESPECIALLY WITH HIS DANCERS SCOOB AND SCRAP LOVER, LEADING TO YOUR SET-UP WITH B-REAL DANCING FOR YOU BEFORE HE STARTED CYPRESS HILL?
We took pages of game from Big Daddy Kane, LL Cool J, Run DMC. I always had my Cuban panama hat, but the thing that changed it all for me was the guayabera shirt, allasudden people were like “What kind of look is this?” but it made people proud to be Latino again, and that was a cool part of being Mellow Man Ace, the character.
WAS THE WILLINGNESS TO DO LOVE SONGS SOMETHING YOU GOT FROM LL COOL J?
Absolutely. In that era a lot of rap albums had a love song on it. Poor Righteous Teachers had “Shakiyla”, Steady B had “Going Steady”, Whistle had “Barbara’s Bedroom” and of course the biggest one was LL Cool J “I Need Love”.
LET’S TALK ABOUT“RHYME FIGHTER” THE VIDEO, FIRST OF ALL YOU’RE RIDING A HORSE IN THE VIDEO! YOU ALREADY KNEW HOW TO RIDE A HORSE?
No, I learned the day we made the video! I almost ran over the band. They’re playing in a field, and I almost ran over Trouble Funk’s horn section! I rode between the horns and the conga player, and I almost ran the conga player over, it was the first take and I’d never been on a horse. That was my very first video. I didn’t mind that it was goofy. In my quest to find a place to belong in hip-hop, Capitol came with an idea of a spoof of an old western, so…a little bit later N.W.A was pointing guns at the TV screen, but at the time I was like, okay, let’s do the Western spoof. And we did it out in the hills where they used to film M*A*S*H the TV show which I thought was exciting, and we did the video, had a great time, and in the video you can see B-Real. Sen was at work that day, and Muggs wasn’t coming period. But Sugapop from Rock Steady Crew was in that video, and both of my sisters.
YOUR TONE OF VOICE ON “RHYME FIGHTER” IS DIFFERENT THAN YOUR USUAL STYLE, IT’S MORE OF A NASAL STYLE.
That was a style that Rammellzee had used first. [aka the ‘Gangsta Duck’ style] His style was more effect-driven, while I just held my nose and went “Yo MCs!” But I’d taken the idea of changing my voice from Rammellzee. He’s still underrated, he was the personal rapper for Rock Steady Crew back in the day. [rhymes “Beat Bop” pretty much in its entirety] But that’s where I derived that style that later Muggs had B-Real ask me if B could use, and that’s what turned into the style that B-Real made famous in Cypress Hill. We used to study Cold Crush Brothers, Sugarhill Gang, Funky Four Plus One, and they were structured. But Rammellzee, it was like one long rap! That’s where we got that womp-womp-womp for “River Cubano” and where Muggs got that “Cy-cypress hill…” from the record, it was all Rammellzee, that’s how much of an impact his work had on us. Beige label, red writing…
DID YOU HAVE BEEF WITH EAZY-E?
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IT’S ON RECORD, SO YOU CAN’T SAY IT DIDN’T HAPPEN. ON “RHYMEFIGHTER” THERE’S A QUICK SAMPLE SNIPPET OF EAZY E SAYING “EAZY E MUTHAFUCKA” AND THEN YOU COME IN AND SAY “OH WHAT A SUCKA!“
Well see we grew up as b-boys at heart. So knowing the how the guys in the Bronx created hip-hop and what it was supposed to mean as a culture, where you’d battle but there was respect, don’t disrespect the culture, make music the right way. It was about housing niggas, not killing niggas. It was about destroying a crew but not destroying a man physically. We learned the moral side of what hip-hop culture is. It’s about building together, getting together, good times, friends, music. So when we heard N.W.A come out with all this killing shit, we were like, they can’t disrespect hip-hop culture like that, that’s a violation. So based on that alone is why I dissed Eazy-E on the record. He never responded. There was no real beef, it was just my objection to the way he was disrespecting hip-hop culture, the way I felt it was supposed to be.
NOW, YOU’RE ACKNOWLEDGED AS THE FIRST TO DO SPANISH RAP.
Yes it’s true…except…Mister Schick. This is where I heard Spanish rap for the first time. I give credit to Mr. Schick of the Mean Machine. The Mean Machine were a group of Puerto Ricans from the Bronx, this is in 1974-75-76. Sugar Hills Records put out a song called “Disco Dream” [in 1981] where Mr. Schick rapped in Spanish, it was only like eight bars, but that’s where I heard Spanish rap for the first time.
TWENTY YEARS LATER YOU’RE THE CHAIRMAN OF THE LATIN RAP CONFERENCE, WHICH IS COMING UP IN NOVEMBER.
This is our sixth year and we’re growing. Whipper Whip, Disco Wiz, Ruby Dee, all will be given awards at this year’s conference. Quite frankly hip-hop has not said thank you to those guys. Bamabaataa and Kool Herc, they’ve gotten props, but a lot of early b-boys have been overlooked. Pop Master Fable of Rock Steady Crew will be doing a presentation at this year’s conference about the history of Latinos in hip-hop, it’s gonna be amazing.
A new post over at circa45.com focusing on Young MC’s “Principal’s Office” fired us up enough to go digging for that song’s crucial source material: “Who Could Want More” by funky piano maestro Lee Michaels. While “Principal’s Office” didn’t scale the chart heights of “Bust A Move” it’s aged endearingly well, and its Tamra Davis directed video slots in nicely alongside contemporary class room clownin’ clips (see also: Van Halen “Hot For Teacher”) and clearly inspired new jacks The Knux with their current clip “Cappuccino” — though nothing compares to the “Principal’s Office” sight of N’Dea Davenport in a splattin’em blonde wig, purple micro-mini and bumblebee leggings…and now it’s off to the principal’s office you go…
Mr. Delicious would be remiss if he didn’t point out that LeBron James, while a phenomenal ball-player, has made a few gear gaffes over the years (chief among them would be wearing a Yankees cap while Cleveland spanked the Yanks during last year’s MLB playoffs). But hey, he’s still young, and we all make mistakes. Anyway, all is forgiven, now that King James was seen sporting a Delicious Vinyl t-shirt during the USA Men’s Basketball team’s Olympic preparation sessions. ESPN’s multi-part program covering the event is called “Road To Redemption” and wegottasay, LeBron has now redeemed himself.
Bonus ‘Bron: Here’s M. Walk’s Remix of Tone Loc “Fatal Attraction”…a King James favorite (pure speculation).
Mr. Delicious would be remiss if he didn’t point out that LeBron James, while a phenomenal ball-player, has made a few gear gaffes over the years (chief among them would be wearing a Yankees cap while Cleveland spanked the Yanks during last year’s MLB playoffs). But hey, he’s still young, and we all make mistakes. Anyway, all is forgiven, now that King James was seen sporting a Delicious Vinyl t-shirt during the USA Men’s Basketball team’s Olympic preparation sessions. ESPN’s multi-part program covering the event is called “Road To Redemption” and wegottasay, LeBron has now redeemed himself.
